VATICAN CITY STATE — Vatican officials have confirmed that Adventist pastor and television personality, Doug Batchelor, was deported from Vatican City today. Batchelor was removed by Vatican security while he was filming a segment for his popular television show Amazing Facts.
The Adventist pastor was quickly escorted out of Vatican City and dropped off at Rome’s Leonardo Da Vinci International Airport where he boarded a United Airlines flight bound for Washington Dulles International Airport.
Vatican officials cited “unprovoked negative propaganda” as the reason for Batchelor’s ejection. Although Batchelor himself has yet to comment on the incident, analysts were quick to point out that the TV presenter has been an unusually outspoken critic of Pope Francis and his policies. “His Facebook feed seems to be dedicated to bashing the Pope on the one hand and preventing his denomination from ordaining women on the other,” reported Christianity Today.
“Although Adventists have legitimate prophecy-related concerns about the role of the Papacy in last-day events, Pastor Batchelor’s incessant critique of the Pope’s every move has obviously ruffled some feathers,” said an unnamed GC official, responding to the news of Batchelor’s deportation. “While we appreciate Pastor Batchelor’s unquestioned sincerity, his narrow focus runs the risk of portraying our church and its members as being anti-Catholic and that is not the image we seek to cultivate.”
The same official mentioned that a church delegation will be welcoming Batchelor as he arrives at the General Conference for a debrief today. The message? “We love you. But seriously, cool it.”
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Watch him and Pope Francis reunite on the next season of “Dancing With the Stars.” Awkwarrrrddddd…
People! Seriously! This is a phony story, satire, a joke, NOT true! This website is a satire site set up to pick on SDA and poke fun so, why do you people so easily believe EVERYTHING you read??? The world knows the Catholic church, the pope and the Vatican are ALL anti-Christ so why would any of you even consider the idea of Doug Bachelor going to the Vatican?
Well said, “Itel Datruth”!
By the way, how is your “mother” doing? Ms. “Luci-Fur”?
And like your momma, (who taught you everything you know(?), was she not in the Ms. Universe Pageant??
I believe your momma came in THIRD PLACE:
1. MARY OF ISRAEL
2. THERESA OF INDIA
3. LUCI OF BABYLON
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I Think this satire goes over board. I don’t find satire in joking with serious issues. Why don’t you change and right factual things about Adventists… The times we are living in demands serious consideration.
I think Pastor Mister Doug Batchelor, (or “Batch” as his friends call him) is an evil-but-noble man. He’s very misunderstood.
Doug Batchelor is a fraud. I know his first wife Karyn. I know that she is the mother of his 3 children Rachael, Micah ( tragically passed away in 2001) and son Daniel. I know that Doug had an affair while married to Karyn producing his first daughter Cheri just 2 months older than Rachael.
Odd the comments did not state that we are ‘anti-Popes’, thus protestants, and pro Catholic Christian people! Hmm but then maybe they did and the ‘press’ chose not to fully report! Could that even be possible….? 🙂
“We love you, but seriously….cool it” Love that line!!
Well, I would not be surprised about the GC’s policies about the Vatican as some Adventists already know that the SDA General Conference is already leaning towards the papacy, as foretold by Mrs. Ellen G. White.
Hello Evelyn. My name is Naomi. I’ve been trying to find that quote you just mentioned. Can you please email it to me. mendez.naomi0330@gmail.com
YEAH EVELLYN
Read the signs. Do not be decieved about what you hear and see only. I hope that God gives us the strength to believe in His word. Thankyu Evelyn
very well written!
And badly faked! These things are serious. Articles like this should not be written.
Marcos “Chameleon” Thaler is a religious fraudster .
Catch us on Facebook @ “Edwin Cotto of the Adventist Defense League, Marcos Thaler et al EXPOSED” group.
See especially our Facebook file document and thread : “”Epic fail” Marcos. The contradictory world of “4th generation”,”never been a SDA”, former SDA? “apologist” Marcos Thaler.”
Hear that? That’s the whooshing sound of Adventist eyebrows shooting up in unison. LOL! But seriously cool it.
Please watch!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VH9f2aRTbKM
“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor”, Pope Francis. Doug Batchelor was not in the Vatican City today so the Pope did not deport him.
Haha!!
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What I want to know is, who will take Bishop Tony Palmer’s place in this ecumenical thing? Would
Doug Batchelor be interested? Think of the evangelistic opportunities in the Vatican!! Woe is me!!
I love to laugh.. There a fine line between having fun verses just plain lying. Wow this is amazing.
This is not a joke . lies only harm others and considered deception in the sight of heaven for which would be severely judged and punished.False reports has no benefit or value.
Batchelor just hired a female SDA Ordained minister in China, so that statement is untrue. Perhaps Pastor Batchelor forgot to tell them a the vatican , that he too has made an Image To The Beast by excepting a government state issued tax exemption. Every SDA Member should be giving an opinion on what the GCSDA has said. But since they are really The Roman Catholic Adventist Corporation nowaday, and is a harlet to the great whore. Many of The RCA are so spiritually disconnected from Jesus Christ and his word. They simply don’t see nothing why with what the other god The Roman Catholic Adventist Corp. has said here. Here is the article published on July 17, 2014
Batchelor Preaches with an Ordained Woman Pastor
By Adventist Today News Team, July 17, 2014
Pastor Doug Batchelor, senior pastor at the Granite Bay Seventh-day Adventist Church and director of the Amazing Facts media ministry, visited China in May. Despite his opposition to the ordination of women pastors, he met with Pastor Xiaomei Hong, one of many Seventh-day Adventist ordained ministers in China who happen to be women. Adventists there have been ordaining women to the gospel ministry since the 1980s.
On February 6, 2010, he preached a sermon (in the U.S.) against the extension of ordination to women serving as pastors. Video recordings of the sermon have been distributed on the Web and through DVDs. He taught that for a woman pastor to be ordained is not biblical, that there are “distinctions that God has made regarding the roles of men and women.”
Because of how well known Batchelor’s opposition to women in ministry has become, he was one of the members of the study committee on ordination the denomination’s General Conference appointed in order to provide “balance.” Adventist Today has been told that in the committee meetings he argued against women being recognized as ordained ministers.
keep up the good work ,doug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See, this is where you fall down, using ancient Biblical curses directed at Babylon, which appeared to be a female city (whore, harlot). You choose to apply this to the Church of Rome. Very silly, because ‘Firstlight’ is a learned channel.
is the 7da church really getting this screwed up?
While we appreciate Pastor Batchelor’s unquestioned sincerity, his narrow focus runs the risk of portraying our church and its members as being anti-Catholic and that is not the image we seek to cultivate.”
um EXCUSE ME!!! but we ARE supposed to be anti-catholic…we’re protestants! GO BATCHELOR but do be careful! you’re a great preacher!
Even the Devil knows scripture.
So you’re telling us you know the scriptures?
Guys and Gals, seriously, consider the source of the story. This is a total farce, because that’s the whole point of this website. I read the article without seeing the source, and already had some doubts, like the fact that he was escorted to the airport in Rome, instead of just outside of Vatican City. Remember to consider the source before getting your feathers ruffled or conversely becoming dogmatic.
It’s a satire. Just a joke. http://barelyadventist.com/about-page/
Pastor Doug Batchelor..God be with you all the way! In Biblical days…Daniel, Shedrach, Mishach and Abednego made a stand for the truth. Who in this time and age stand tall for the truth…you better check yourself, before you wreck yourself. If God is not living in your heart..who is?
I am Catholic and accidentally came to this site. What I can’t understand is that some are taking this as truth. I am assuming this is the SDA version of the “Onion” website. Funny stuff. The Vatican would never kick Pastor Batchelor out. This is all supposed to be witty!
Pastor Doug Batchelor is hardly the devil lol. He goes strictly by the Bible fearlessly. Whether the topic is popular or not, he tells the truth the best that any human can. Your AWESOME Pastor Doug!
Doug Bachelor is the devil incarnate! He is evil and leading souls straight to hell with his made-up, hackneyed doctrines! SHAME ON HIM! The Catholic Faith is the Church Christ himself founded! Sorry, the TRUTH HURTS!
Dave where do you come from. The devil is the accuser of our brethren says the Bible. Have you heard or seen Pastor Doug’s sermons and compared them with Scriptures. If any man’s teachings are not in accordance with Holy Scriptures it’s because there is no light in him, which is not the case with Pastor Doug.
Doug Batchelor is a fraud. I know his first wife Karyn. I know that she is the mother of his 3 children Rachael, Micah ( tragically passed away in 2001) and son Daniel. I know that Doug had an affair while married to Karyn producing his first daughter Cheri just 2 months older than Rachael.
Read Hebrews 4:12
The truth hurts when it comes to God’s word
Find Peace
Amen.
Dave, that may be so, But it has drifted so far from the first church it is not even a distant cousin to the original Church. I know great people who are Catholic, but they Church centered not Christ centered. I taught RCIA and taught myself right out of the church.
Doug Batchelor is a fraud. I know his first wife Karyn. I know that she is the mother of his 3 children Rachael, Micah ( tragically passed away in 2001) and son Daniel. I know that Doug had an affair while married to Karyn producing his first daughter Cheri just 2 months older than Rachael.
Why would Bible truth be funny to you? He literally reads straight from the Bible. He also doesn’t deck himself out in jewels and fancy expensive clothing, and most importantly he doesn’t live in a palace or does he change the Sabbath or claim to be able to save you through confession and Hail Mary’s. What is disturbing to me is that clear cut signs are there that this particular institution of religion would do all the things they are not supposed to do. I mean it’s pretty clear that you don’t bow before idols. There’s at least a handful of statues and dead saints that you people pray to. It is like a cult practically. When you can no longer see the truth and engage in dangerous practices unconsciously… Brain washing… Cult
The mere fact that the Vatican deported Doug shows that there is something cooking within the ‘City of Seven Hills’. If they had nothing to hide then why make such a move
Why do you people worry and talk so much about what other people are doing? Rather we should ask what am I doing to save others. or ask yourself am I a good person?
1. YOU CANT SAVE OTHERS
2. JESUS SAID, NONE IS GOOD. WELL, I AM BUT NO ONE ELSE.
It’s a satire. Just a joke. Click this: http://barelyadventist.com/about-page/
The Web site is satirical, but the article wasn’t written that way. True love seeks the honor of God and the salvation of souls. If we do not call folks out of Babylon, we are not loving them. It’s all about the Satanic redefinition of love. Love is what God says it is, not what the world says it is. Don’t seek a more convenient way to love people. They can’t be saved where they’re at, and it’s our responsibility.
Well said Michael. The Truth will set us free. Jesus is the Way the The Truth and the Life. He who comes to Jesus will have eternal life. Jesus told us Himself. According to Holy Scriptures and the teachings and practices of the Roman Catholic Church when compared the latter is antichrist. All the Reformers were roman Catholic Priests who became protestants because they were against the teachings of their own Church. That’s why in the Book of Revelation the people are commanded to come out of her, the Roman Catholic Church lest they will receive the plagues from God, if they don’t repent and come out of Babylon which is a Church of confusion. God loves the world even the Roman Catholics like i do… Amen
This website is simply satanic. It breaks the Ninth Commandment on all levels. It’s not “Barely Adventist”, it is not Adventist at all. And for those who would accuse me of not having a sense of humor (which, I think mine is well developed), please explain to me how bearing false witness is funny.
FUNNY IS NOT UNIVERSAL.
For Joe: read Isaiah 64:6. Who among us is good? If we were good we wouldn’t be in need of a savior.
All this is doing is taking the focus off of the Gospel. Good News. It’s all about Jesus. Almighty Father Thank you for your unfailing love and the blood shed of your Son for our Sins. Faith is what brings obedience. Stay in His Word and His Way.pp
The God in Heaven, Maker and Savior of the world, be with you Pastor Doug. You are the voice of God where all voices seemed to be silenced. God has raised up a man like you for such a purpose. Let no anybody silence your voice, not even the General Conference itself! We must tell the truth even if someone feels uncomfortable with it……
Stop spreading lies about this Pastor.
DB just begs for ridicule. Just looking at his titles on YouTube is disconcerting. He is a right wing conservative voice that is misogynistic, sexist, homophobic. Frustration concerning his teachings can be harmlessly expressed with humor. I would suggest if people don’t like satire they should stay off this site. It takes a certain amount of intelligence and wit to appreciate satire. It’s not for everybody. DB is a black and white thinker. I don’t believe you can take one text and make a whole doctrine out of it because you are ignoring other texts that say otherwise. DB is alarmist, extremist, inflammatory, divisive. He has a following but I want no part of his message.
Bonnie be very careful when you falsely accuse a man of God. I don’t find any fault in him in his teachings at all for they are all in harmony with Holy Scriptures… Amen. Steve.
Of course this is a joke, but a very poor one. Making fun of Doug Batchelor for his reporting on the pope ??? How sad. He’s trying to show us that prophecy is being fulfilled now and the sunday law is almost here. Joke about vegelinks all you want, but this is no joke. Doug Batchelor should “cool it?” Thats crossing the line. I wont be wasting my time reading any more of your “humor.”
Paster Doug is right, is telling the truth from the bible,about prophesy,about what is about to take place,and we are awere that pope whant to procraim sunday,as aday of rest, instead saturday,the truth sabbath of God our creater,may God bless paster Doug and ather truth christians who will stand farm and tell the world the truth.
Nope. Not at all. He’s a total farce.
When men refuse to believe the truth God will give them up to believe a lie. Pastor Doug is teaching the truth. the Truth will set men free, free from sin.or wanting to sin. Jesus will gibe us power to over come sin as He did when on earth.
truth Is gonna be said but I cant tell pplez attitude..bt wat I know doug has normally done it with love. continue bro. doug
People truly need to read the bible and interpret for themselves how prophesies are the foretelling of how history has happened, and is happening, and will still happen.
History IS the evidence. DB is merely making people aware of what is happening and warning us to be aware and choose readiness or not – it is up to each one of us to be stirred with intrigue and find out for ourselves. There is no mystery, it is very clear for all to see! READ THE BIBLE AND YOUR CREATOR WILL SPEAK TO YOU …….. and
THAT WILL BE THE TRUTH. AMEN
So much for sharing God’s Love. The judgmental ramblings of an arrogant preacher such as Doug Batchelor are destroying my church. He has started his own independent ministry and is syphoning millions of tithe dollars out of the church to promote his own right-wing agenda. I have been told that he has built this huge monolithic church campus and it is completely outside the control of the SDA church.
Doug Batchelor, the next Shepherd’s Rod.
Anacii
He is not destroying your church…God will do it on his appointed time…as it says in Revelation. But he is warning you Catholics to come out from her…so that you will not be partakers of her sin. Catholics are very good people…..The problem is their system.
Revelation 18:4
4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. 7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
I have listened and downloaded are a lot sermon presented by the evangelist and have been blessed with the messages. If he does not preach the end times messages, who else will, DB, may God be with you, preach the truth, truth will set us free and prepare us for the soon coming of Jesus. May God be glorified.
This site is a disgrace. The owner is perpetrating lies in the name of “satire.” Satire is one thing; lies are another. This site is neither one. Shame on you. And you can stop hiding behind that silly screen-name “sevvy.” We know who you are; our detectives have identified you as Jessica Kulmeier of Austin, Texas. Why not use your time, talent, and effort to write something true and worthwhile, like Adventures of Tom Sawyer? Nobody even reads this site anymore; and all the people who write comments are a bunch of losers.
IT IS SO SAD THAT SEVENTH DAY ADVEVTIST AT THIS TIME IN EARTH HISTORY STILL DON’T KNOW WHERE THEY STAND. MOST OF THE SO-CALL ADVENTIST STILL DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT TRUE ADVENTISM MEANS. THEY WANT THE MISSION TO BE WHAT THEY WANT IT TO BE, AND NOT WHAT GOD SAYS. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT MOST OF YOU PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING COMMENTS, HAVE NO IDIA OF WHAT IT IS TO BE A TRUE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST, OR YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE TRUE MISSION OF ADVENTISM. GOD BLESS PASTOR DOUG BATCHELOR, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK SIR.
OF COURSE, I AM A SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST, AND I AM ANTI-CATHOLIC TO THE CORE. NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE THAT. THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH IS ESSENTIALLY ANTI-ROMAN CATHOLIC IN ALL ITS DOCTRINES AND POLICIES JUST AS GOD IS AGAINST THE HARLOT CHURCH. THERE ARE JUST TWO FORCES IN THE WORLD, THOSE WHO BELONG TO THE REMNANT CHURCH “WHO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND THE FAITH ….OF… JESUS”(REV. 14:12) AND THE HARLOT CHURCH, RATHER, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND CULTS OF THE EARTH WHICH IS NO OTHER THAN THE ROMAN-CATHOLIC INSTITUTION. AND WE WILL NEVER, NEVER, NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE WILL NOT STOP TO EXPOSE THIS HARLOT CHURCH UNTIL SHE WILL BE DESTROYED IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD. BUT IT WILL BE THE GLORY OF CHRIST’S COMING WHICH CAN ULTIMATELY ANNIHILATE HER AS WE CAN READ IN 2 THESSALONIANS 2:3-8… STAY AWAY FROM THE ROMAN-CATHOLIC CHURCH. IT IS AN EVIL CHURCH WITH EVIL LAWS, AND EVIL ACTS IN THE PAST.. AND BECAUSE HER PRINCIPLES DID NOT CHANGE, SHE WILL DO THE SAME KILLINGS AS SHE HAD DONE IN THE PAST CENTURIES. READ IT IN REVELATION CHAPTERS 17 AND 18 IT SAYS THAT THIS HARLOT WOMAN WAS DRUNK WITH THE BLOOD OF THE SAINTS.. YUCK,, IT’S A CHURCH FULL OF AWFUL WITCHCRAFT. BUT IT IS ALSO TRUE THAT HER PROTESTANT DAUGHTERS, THOSE WHO WORSHIP ON SUNDAY, ARE DOING THE FOOTSTEPS OF THEIR HARLOT MOTHER. THESE EVANGELICALS ARE ALSO SPIRITUAL HARLOTS. THEY KEEP A WRONG DAY, SUNDAY, THE DAY GOD, CHRIST, OR PAUL DID NOT RECOGNIZE. “IT IS A BLACKSLIDING CHURCH THAT LESSENS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN ITSELF AND THE PAPACY” (ELLEN G. WHITE). THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH HAS NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE AGAINST ROME. IT IS ROME WHO MUST DO A LOT OF APOLOGIZING. HER SINS CANNOT BE ATONED FOR. SHE MUST DIE MISERABLY. SHE SHED MUCH BLOOD IN THE NAME OF CHRIST. HORRIBLE WHORE. BLOODY WHORE. WE FELT NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE BEFORE THIS HARLOT CHURCH, AND WE WILL NOT………. RATHER, IT IS THE DUTY OF THE REMNANT CHURCH TO UNMASK AND PUBLICLY EXPOSE THIS EVIL CHURCH, THE ROMAN-CATHOLIC CHURCH. WE WILL BE DISTRIBUTING MILLIONS OF COPIES OF THE BOOK, “THE GREAT CONTROVERSY” BY ELLEN G. WHITE TO THOROUGHLY COMPLETE OUR DENUNCIATIONS ON THIS HARLOT INSTITUTION, AND WE WILL COVET IMPRISONMENT FOR DOING SO. WE FEAR NOTHING IN THIS EARTH EXCEPT THE LOSS OF CHRIST. WE DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF EXPOSING THE VATICAN. SHE MUST BE EXPOSED, AND NOTHING HAD EVER CHANGED IN THAT ATTITUDE AMONG THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS SINCE IT WAS FIRST ORGANIZED.
Nice hateful tirade. I can see you are full of love and certainly nonjudgemental. I hope I can be half the follower of Christ you are! Great job!
So God chosen people are once again playing the Harlot, the truth must be spoken and as far as am concerned , Pastor Doug and just a few others are really doing the work. The others are just trying to be on the right side of everybody, playing the harlot on God once more.
Just this morning I was looking at a question search on bible prophecy and came across Mr. Bachelors’ answers to questions so I wanted to research him. Although there are a lot of really good answers to this topic I wanted to find out more about him. He tends to pick and choose what verses of the bible he interprets as literal and which one he claims as parables. Only reason I am sending this comment that it has bothered me all day that he preaches that eventually all that are not in Christ will be destroyed. There are verses that pertain both to eternal life and eternal death in the bible. You say that we will have eternal life but nobody will have eternal punishment (death). They will be burned to ashes and will exist neither spirit, body or soul at all. I believe we are going to exist for eternity somewhere. I am afraid if people listen to what he is preaching about that why should they even bother to turn to the Lord? They can just party on in this life and then… One final shot of judgement and they will be done. I just hope he is very careful when he preaches that subject and studies it very carefully. He can actually lead people in the wrong direction. If people believe what he is saying then why shouldn’t they just do what they want in this life? I am a Christian and know where I will be when I die (BTW….. the very second I Take my last breath on this earth also contrary to what he also preaches that we will all stay in the grave till the resurrection). I will be in Heaven with the Lord. I also know where people who reject the Lord will be when they take their last breath. If I believed Mr. Batchelor in what he says why not just live it up on this earth then not exist at all when I die? One judgement and then poof. You be gone. No worries.
The “unnamed GC official speaks like a Jesuit. Worded to slyly discredit Batcelor and the truths he speaks. Sounds very much like a “foolish virgin” as found in Matthew 25.
I’ve been SdA since ‘44 and a voting member since ‘59. Yesterday, I started to watch a Doug Batchelor video. Couldn’t watch the whole thing. Why? Because it seems to me that he tries to imply–as much with his facial expressions as with his words–that if people don’t subscribe to his dogmas, they are foolish or absurd.
When I was a boy, our family stopped everything on Sunday mornings and sat in the kitchen to listed to the Voice of Prophecy. I heard H.M.S. Richards at camp meetings several times in the ‘50s, heard him preach one evangelistic sermon in person and he spoke at the funeral of one of my mother’s cousins. In the ‘70s, I heard him twice in person–once in Minnesota and once in Colorado. I’m about as certain as I can be that no Methodist or Baptist ever got the impression from Elder Richards that he thought people were stupid who failed to agree with him.
What I would like to see is evidence that there are significant numbers of Seventh-day Adventists who are still opposed to some of the doctrines of the Roman Church but who choose to focus, instead, on who Jesus is, salvation by grace alone through faith alone, the primacy of scripture, the priesthood of all believers, the purpose of the second advent of Jesus and the nature of his millennial kingdom.
When Luther posted his 95 theses in 1517, it was because Pope Leo X had done some things no pope had ever done before. In 1517 some of the officers of the Roman Church were doing things Luther also disapproved and it seemed that some of those things were being done with Pope Leo’s tacit approval. Luther considered some of those things to be anti-Christian. Whether it was appropriate for Luther to style Pope Leo as the antiChrist could be debated but is the current pope doing the things Pope Leo did and that Luther opposed? I’m a protestant and I’m still opposed to the Roman SYSTEM but I can convey that conviction without using language that is likely to be construed as disrespectful of the current pope as a person. I need not be disrespectful of the adherents of the Roman Church.
The church consists of believers. One of the apostasies of the Roman Church–long before the reign of Pope Leo X–was to teach that an organization is the church. In the 1830s, ‘40s and ‘50s, adventists didn’t refer to an organization as “the church”. I might not agree with exactly who the adventists of the mid-1840s considered to be true believers but there is evidence that, even in the early 1860s, there were adventists who still considered believers to constitute the church.
If what I have written so far is making sense to anyone who reads this thread, please consider sending me some of your thoughts about how to mitigate the arguing of which this thread is but a microcosm. Roger Metzger Milo, Maine r.metzger44@gmail.com
Hi Roger Metzger. Are you still at r.metzger44@gmail.com? As a conflicted Adventist (with lots of knowledge and thoughts on Adventism and other denominations and beliefs), I might like to communicate with you, as per your invitation here.
Doug Batchelor is a fraud. I know his first wife Karyn. I know that she is the mother of his 3 children Rachael, Micah ( tragically passed away in 2001) and son Daniel. I know that Doug had an affair while married to Karyn producing his first daughter Cheri just 2 months older than Rachael.
That what happen when you say the truth. -and truth shall set you free-
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truth is always bitter.may the gud God we serve give you strength and help u stand on truth always.he will guard you. the devil is at war indeed
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